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Post by Kuronue on Jul 25, 2007 20:15:45 GMT -5
Oh that will pretty much be when you stop being the bully.... is making fun of another human being that amusing? I never found any use in it, but your pitiful "quotes" and fake "screens shots" are what I'm fully objecting to Its time someone put you in your place!
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Post by Tsuki Bear on Jul 31, 2007 14:35:02 GMT -5
Here Here down with that shit! its not amusing, its pathetic and who would every think it is needs serious mentle help!
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Post by minx.eh on Jul 31, 2007 16:06:36 GMT -5
I have a question...what the hell is Encyclopedia Dramatica and what the hell did it do to you guys? *Gets out her anti-noob bat* If they ruin our forum again theres going to be some major, MAJOR ass kicking!
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Post by metalgoddess029 on Aug 4, 2007 23:12:36 GMT -5
Hello there. New member, first time poster and I figure I could possibly enlighten those of you who don't know what Encyclopedia Dramatica is to the truth. ED is a humor website that can be both absurdly humorous and painfully truthful. They are a site that skews such facts as world geography but can be very truthful when it comes to people who stir up drama for no real reason or who act like real jackasses. They take screenshots most often of such things as forums (i.e. there are quite a few screenshots of this forum and your various member's goings-on) and such websites as DeviantArt. However, while they do both photomanipulation and the like, they do not photo-treat screenshots that are used as evidence of overdramatic behavior unless they highlight it for particular passages. Your friend here continously screams of photomanipulations of her comments, but in truth, I've witnessed a lot of her virulent attitude and overdramatic reactions firsthand, such as cursing out people for no real reason, treating their advice as less than worthy because she can't see them through her computer, and quite honestly just being rude, even insulting the admins of the website she despises so much now because she said they wouldn't help her. I find it quite ironic that they proved her wrong and even now an admin known as Moonbeam13 watches her page for signs of trolls and many have been banned for spamming her page. Some advice that I know will get shot down, but I feel I'll say it anyway because it comes from experience in IRL- don't react to trolls/"bullies" and stop snapping at people. If you treat people nicely and don't overreact, such as not telling them to go "die in a hole" or to shove things up their bum, then you will be respected. And if you don't like critique, then don't respond to it as it makes people want to snap back at you as well as tell you more critique. Or if you must respond, then lie and say you'll consider their advice for the future. Since you advocate quite loudly that nothing people says matters over the internet because you can't tell if they're being truthful, then lie as much as you want and damn the consequences. Further, something to remember- Respect is not to be expected, it is to be earned and you lose respect when you treat others poorly. Treat others with respect and kindness and you will earn more in return. I'm sure I'll get banned or if not, then it will be nice to discuss some of this further and answer questions if you have any you'd care to ask. This maybe your forum, but I will hold you responsible for what goes on and to treat me and others with some decorum and manners. I am not here to spam or raid you~ I actually came here to try your roleplaying experience, but I have yet to see any threads started for such scenarios. And I felt some explanation was necessary though I hate giving them, but I can't stand to see facts skewed or having just one point of view. There must be representation of all sides and for the record, I consider myself neutral on this issue, but I have done my research and pride myself on it. Anyways, carry on and don't be afraid to ask questions. I can answer far shorter and not ramble in the future.
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MarieChan
Lesser Nobel
The pantless wonder
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Post by MarieChan on Aug 5, 2007 14:42:17 GMT -5
I can try roleplaying with you, it's just I really don't want to do a bar scenario where it's just meant to be crazy :C
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Post by minx.eh on Aug 5, 2007 17:33:24 GMT -5
Ah Divineangel gets angry and she doesn't do such for no reason. However, I'm not one to judge before I actually have a conversation with you. If you have MSN you can catch me at minx.eh@hotmail.com or e-mail me. Same address. I'm not on a lot but I am sometimes. I'm preparing for school and my birthday. My school comes August 14th and my Birthday on August 16th.
Anyway, she doesn't get mad for no reason and there has to be a reason. People have been quite rude and mean to her more than once on a number of sites. Now that I have gotten to know her I see her side and agree with some of her arguments, not all, but some. Maybe you should see what happens behind the scenes. There are instant messengers and private messages that can be sent. That could be happening. Maybe you should start being kinder to her and I bet the stress of her everyday life has added to it. She's had a lot happen to her.
metalgoddess029 most people do not understand what she says sometimes. Even I once disliked her and disagreed with her. Even spammed her site for a while. However, once things came into the light I found she was a good friend and can give good conversation. Respect should be kept for all as a human beings and people should treat each other kindly.
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Post by mindhacked on Aug 6, 2007 12:05:34 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is about:
1. Pornography 2. ED
1. Pornography is and always has been a feature of society of any kind. The Marquis de Sade, one of the most famous pornographers of all time, wrote his works a little over 200 years ago, and his works were more vulgar and violent than most of your garden-variety pornography. Some people (including yours truly) would consider his works art, groundbreaking filth at the very least, but would you move to have his works censored or kept off of the web, Kuronue? The reason so many children see so much pornography is because their parents:
a-- Are simply negligent. And/or... b-- Have no clue about what pornography is, where it can be obtained, or why we watch it.
I'm not talking about nationwide censorship, I'm talking about some sense of awareness, of education. Pornography is the objectification of two or more figures or three parties (male, female, and hermaphroditic) and the act of coitus. It's titillation. It's escapism. It's the presentation of the human body as an object rather than an organism. Once we can figure that simple fact out, we'll really be able to decide FOR OURSELVES whether pornography is "good" or "bad."
2. ED is just satire. It's makin' fun of people so that those people will react like you're reacting. Don't react, and they miiiiiight stop. If anything, ED is a more balanced (fake) source of opinion than most reputable sources (although don't mistake balance with reputability!), as EDiots are equal-opportunity jackasses. They make fun of furries, of anthro artists, of traditional artists, of musicians, of writers, of politicians, of regular people, of tragic cases, of selfish cases, of selfishly-tragic cases (Mr. Dwyer, I'm lookin' at you), and on and on and on. That's it. Yeah, they're tasteless, them and a billion other jerks out there. But when you campaign to "smear" their name, you're doing exactly what they want you to do (the immortal words of Admiral Ackbar come to mind: IT'S A TRAP!). To smear ED is to spread horse dung on a canvas of horse dung.
That said, I retract any and all statements that might be banworthy, simply for the sake of self-preservation.
I KNOOOOW NOOOOSING! I SEEEEE NOOOOOSING!
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Post by minx.eh on Aug 6, 2007 15:29:44 GMT -5
Ediots? xD Hahaha good one. Anyway agreed there but pornography should be kept from people under 18 at best. I remember how I was introduced to knowing where point A and point B go (o.o I think you got that right?) when I searched for "Neopets Graphics". Some idiot thought it would be funny to advertise a porn site as a neopets animation site. Also, from them, I got a virus that made me get sexual pictures on my computer once I came onto the web. I was so young and I was terrified when my father looked and was shocked. I broke down sobbing because I didn't want to look at it at all.
Its wrong that pornography is so open for children and I do not want them to go through what I did as a young girl. I mean seriously! The last thing I want is for people to see graphic images before they find out (on their own) where the points go. Luckily, Yahoo changed it so you could not look up any pornographic material without logging in. Every site with pornography should have that and if they do not have that they should not have porn at all.
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Post by mindhacked on Aug 6, 2007 16:39:25 GMT -5
I suppose you do have a point there, Ms. Minx. I suppose pornography is something that's not just found on one's own after a search or a dedicated hunt of some sort. And, for the sake of using the word "suppose" again, I suppose that the impressionable young minds of children, upon viewing this filth, could adopt the pornographer's mindset, that the opposite sex is nothing more than a sex toy. It's vaguely reminiscent of the average serial killer's or rapist's motive, lust for control or power, sublimated through assertion of sexual desire. So, yeah, you have a hell of a point there.
So, touche.
BUT I'M STILL RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE!!! AHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
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Post by metalgoddess029 on Aug 6, 2007 23:04:13 GMT -5
Miss Minx, I've been incredibly kind and patient with her, though its wearing thin. Very thin, I might add, because she is still snapping at people who are being very nice to her and giving her plenty of good advice. I'm not a cruel person. Coldhearted and unemotional and a firm believer in logic over emotion, but nonetheless, I'm well-mannered and pride myself on being diplomatic and seeing both sides of an issue. I've tried to talk to her on MSN, so I could perhaps learn more and I thought that they can't possibly be painting her in such a bad light- there had to be a brightside, but once again I was proven wrong and she was very rude to me. She kept insinuating that I was behind her ED article and that I was one of those who hated various artists. Truth be told, I hate only 2 people in the entirety of existence and I don't get angry very easily and I don't write ED articles, thus I was more than amused by her assumptions and paranoia, which, yes, I know was brought on by the trolling. But is it entirely fair to the rest of those who try to talk to her and be kind to her for her assume they are all against her and to treat them as less than human? No, I think not and I find it incredibly rude, ill-mannered and lacking in decorum.
I know the stress of being picked on IRL, but there comes a time when one must step back, take a breath and rethink they're approach to people. She has yet to change her paranoid tune and thus my patience is going away like a fart in the wind. I will treat her with more respect when she *calmly* and with a clear head responds to some of the people in her current journal and considers *their* point of view. I've tried, but its hard when you see how she reacts and my own experience with her.
Also, yes, as a human, she deserves a very small modicum of respect, but I was taught as a child that just because someone is older/experienced/anything worth noting, they must EARN respect. Its not automatic just because you exist. Your life is respected and preserved, but for someone to truly hold another in high regard, it is best to earn it. I can't do that until I see something truly worth noting. I will respect her right to opinion and her right to do as she pleases i.e. as in living as a human and whatnot, but I do not have to like it nor respect her any higher than that. It must be earned- no more or less. When she starts listening and actually seeming to take in good advice and stops snapping at every turn, then I will change and respect her more.
Once again, don't assume I've been cruel to her. I even gave her a nice comment on one of her deviations and made a suggestion on further improvement of the work that wasn't shot down, but that was a one in a hundred instance that has yet to be repeated despite the kindness that some critiquers have given her. I don't agree with people taking her ED as the total word of law and I always try to get to know people first. I've tried and it wasn't pleasant in the least. I, though, won't troll her or degrade her. She needs to take some of the advice though and also, stop trying to take out ED. Its a lost cause, pure and simple.
Also, here's something to consider- if she's going through so much IRL, why doesn't she just take a break? I know there's such a thing as obligations to home, business and school and what not, but sometimes, there comes a point that one has to stop and breathe. She doesn't need the internet right now, she needs a vacation.
Anyways, I'll take you up on the convo in MSN sometime and I'll let you know its metalgoddess029 from the forum. I don't mind talking one on one and I agree with some of your points, but don't think I haven't tried to understand her. And really don't assume I'm being cruel. If anything, I'm just worn thin on her and I want to see some kind of change for the better in her situation.
I don't mind further discussing the issue either, but do keep in mind that I'm still neutral- I just want to see change. I refuse to participate in trolling or degradation.
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Post by Kuronue on Aug 7, 2007 1:37:50 GMT -5
I suppose you do have a point there, Ms. Minx. I suppose pornography is something that's not just found on one's own after a search or a dedicated hunt of some sort. And, for the sake of using the word "suppose" again, I suppose that the impressionable young minds of children, upon viewing this filth, could adopt the pornographer's mindset, that the opposite sex is nothing more than a sex toy. It's vaguely reminiscent of the average serial killer's or rapist's motive, lust for control or power, sublimated through assertion of sexual desire. So, yeah, you have a hell of a point there. So, touche. BUT I'M STILL RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE!!! AHAHAHAHAAAA!!! this is actually contradictory to people who Draw Erotic art because they aren't aimed at making the opposite gender look like a Sex toy or anything of that sort. but this is to help prevent incidents a grander like the ones on my forum from happening again. you people remember the ugh graphic images posted i don't have to remind you that such a thing is not allowed here and will not be wise.
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Post by mindhacked on Aug 7, 2007 12:13:35 GMT -5
The problem is, where do we draw the line between erotic art and pornography? Since you're "the boss here," perhaps you could tell us?
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Post by Tsuki Bear on Aug 7, 2007 17:58:29 GMT -5
The problem is, where do we draw the line between erotic art and pornography? Since you're "the boss here," perhaps you could tell us? She dosen't have to as neither art is acceptable here anything above PG13 is subject to removal on accounts of it cant be hidden form the most recent post commentary. this goes for written work too, and while im here I have to say this... Angelsephy: you can be a DIKE and still "love the cock" its called being a dominant bisexual.
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Post by minx.eh on Aug 7, 2007 22:23:56 GMT -5
Erm...can we change the topic please? xD This is hardly PG-13.
Also, metalgoddess when she begins to become upset bring up something she enjoys and you'll see a whole new side to her. She's a really sweet girl once you give her the chance. Talk about manga, or funny artwork, or ask her about her forum. ^^ Those are the ones we talk about and always have fun doing.
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MarieChan
Lesser Nobel
The pantless wonder
Posts: 38
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Post by MarieChan on Aug 8, 2007 17:12:23 GMT -5
I still want to rp though, I mentioned that to MetalGoddess but she overlooked it :<
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